"With a history of working in radio, I've always known and loved the power of audio. When after seven years I switched within NPO from radio to our public children's networks NPO Zapp and NPO Zappelin, there was little to no attention for podcasting. But, Covid made it possible to give this a flying start. Looking for ways to produce content for children in a safe way lead us to creating podcasts. Now, almost three years later, I can proudly say that we've managed to take risks, booked succes and not unimportantly: learned a lot."